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are at dhs the last to use the push of ministers are we aware of this nsa phone data collection operation? >> guest: i was not. >> host: next to war in arkansas, democrats line. >> caller: yes, my problem is that everyone is mad about the tsa but i love them. yes it's an inconvenience but would you rather be in the air at 10000 feet, 5000 feet whatever it is in your plane blows up? yes they needed to overhaul their system and get better employees but we need them. >> guest: thank you for that point and that is exactly right. we all have to have certain things to keep us safe. for example some people might not like to stop at a red light in an intersection but we recognize that we need some way of coordinating car traffic at an intersection. some trade-offs in convenience are necessary for public safety. your point is exactly right which is very few people i think would want a complete no security approach to one of the most repeated threats of al qaeda. the question is whether we should have some security and how can we make it better and you said it very well which is there is an opportu
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